Matt won a trip to Redskins training camp from 106.7 the Fan and invited me to go with him. So we took The Fan bus down to Richmond on Saturday with J.P. from the Junkies and a bunch of the other winners. It was a pretty cool day, we got to meet Art Monk and Darrell Green and we watched the morning walkthrough and the afternoon practice.
Here are a few thoughts from training camp -
- RGIII and Pierre Garcon didn’t do much, but they looked fine when they did work.
- Kirk Cousins can really throw the ball.
- Rex Grossman’s arm is looking old.
- Pat White is a terrible, awful quarterback who didn’t even look good in undefended drills. He’s not making the team.
- I’ve never been impressed by Niles Paul before but he was looking better than last year. He was fighting for the ball and making good catches. Of course, maybe if he could get better separation he wouldn’t have to work so hard to catch the ball.
- 7th Round Pick RB Jawan Jamison did not look half bad on Saturday. We’ll see how he looks in the actual games, but it was a nice surprise.
- The defensive linemen were beating the offensive linemen in the one-on-one drills. Hopefully that’s just how that drill is supposed to play out.
And here a few pictures from the day -
After a disappointing 6-10 2011 campaign by Mike Shanahan and the Redskins, there are many areas on this team that need to be upgraded. While the defense made strides in their second year of a 3-4 defense; the offense, aside for a late year improvement in the running game, left much to be desired. Excuses regarding learning “systems” and injuries are overused and non-applicable. What is clear is that despite Mike Shanahan’s reputation being staked on the quarterback pairing of Rex Grossman and John Beck, there was no starting talent lining up behind center for the Redskins in 2011. Indeed, the second year of the Shanahan offense yielded poorer quarterback play than the first.
QB Comp % Yards TD INT Rating
Donovan McNabb in 2010: 58.3% 3,377 14 15 77.1
Rex Grossman in 2010 55.6% 884 7 4 81.2
Rex Grossman in 2011 57.9% 3151 16 20 72.4
John Beck in 2011 60.6% 858 2 4 72.1
This, of course, was with another year of familiarity in offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan’s (and Mike’s son) offense. Interceptions were up and touchdowns were down. Now, I would never say that Donovan McNabb should have been kept for another year. It is clear that his skills diminished even more this year and proved to more of a malcontent than what he was worth (sad to see, I’ve got to say). But giving the reins to “system” quarterbacks Grossman and Beck, didn’t yield any better results.
One thing is clear when seeing this offense for two years under Shanahan: learning this system is overrated, the Redskins need talent at this position more than any other.
It’s good to have options…
The Skins were so bad this year, they are given the opportunity to improve their team with the 6th overall pick of the draft. However, with USC QB Matt Barkley returning to school for a shot at becoming the number 1 pick next year, and Oklahoma QB Landry Jones following suit, the Skins may likely be out of the running for the two top QB prospects – Stanford’s Andrew Luck and Baylor’s Robert Griffin III. The lack of quarterback talent across the league across the NFL exacerbates the issue. Obviously for Luck there’s a 99.9% chance of the Colts picking him #1 overall. For Robert Griffin III there’s a good chance the Rams hold an auction for the 2nd overall pick for teams willing to sell the farm. Even if he slides to number 3, the Cleveland Browns are poised to take him and show a slightly struggling Colt McCoy the door.
Some are reporting the Skins should sign Aaron Rodgers’ back up Matt Flynn to a long term deal for the potential he’s shown in limited action. While others in the media spread rumors of the Skins being willing to package future first round picks and/or players to draft RG III or Luck. While those are interesting propositions, the most intriguing and possibly the most destructive (maybe even more so than keeping Grossman and Beck for another year) is the scenario that the Redskins either trade for or pick up in free agency, one of the greatest signal callers the game has seen, Peyton Manning.
The Peyton Propositon
Peyton Manning at 36, is one of the best the NFL has ever seen. But after three neck surgeries in one year, he is possibly one hit away from retirement (assuming he’s healthy even now-which is a big assumption in and of itself).
Pro’s for Peyton:
- He has a huge impact on the team around him through motivation, excellent quarterback play, and elevating the play of those around him significantly.The Colts have been a perennial playoff contender, but became the worst team in the NFL without him this year. Replacement QBs Curtis Painter, Dan Orlovsky, and Kerry Collins weren’t able to make much use of the same cast that Peyton had and the Colts only put up two wins.
- No one in the league is like Peyton: 94.9 career passer rating with 64.9 completion %, 399 TDs to only 198 Interceptions.
- IF he’s healthy, this differs from a Donovan McNabb situation in two ways
- No one works harder than Peyton in regards to film study, and being on top of his game.
- Peyton is not statistically in decline, his last full year played in Indianapolis was solid: 91.9 passer rating, 66.3%, 33 TD’s and 17 INT’s.
- FILLING OTHER NEEDS: The Skins have a lack of talent at many different positions on this squad. That’s why they were 6-10 last year. Picking up Peyton gives the Skins the ability to address other needs in the draft like cornerback, offensive line, linebacker, and wide receiver. The Redskins may even be able to draft a QB in a later round to groom under Peyton for two to three years.
Problems with the Peyton Plan
- Health- The Redskins would be gambling on Peyton not only being able to recover from his neck surgeries but to stay healthy for a 16 game (or more, hopefully) season. For a veteran of 14 years, this is nearly impossible and more difficult with an often times shaky Redskins offensive line.
- Short term vs. long term- The Redskins may risk mortgaging future progress by taking the band-aid solution now. A young quarterback can often progress much more easily if they are enabled to grow with their offense early on (see Andy Dalton in Cincinnati) and the Shanahan club can ill afford to waste ANOTHER year of quarterback quagmires after the lost years of McNabb and Grossman. This could be a fix for a year or two, but a franchise quarterback be groomed for the next decade and beyond in that time period.
- $$$- Getting Peyton Manning may be costly even though it’s a high risk. There are reports that the Jets, Dolphins and Cardinals are also interested in getting Manning’s services. With the exception of the Dolphins, Manning may see other teams as being closer to another Super Bowl with his help putting them over the top. The Skins may have to make up for that in extra cash (and thus limiting their options for surrounding Peyton with playmakers to help him in his quest).
- Personality, Experience, and Strife – Clashing is bound to happen. Peyton has proved his worth and skill as has Mike Shanahan. But Kyle Shanahan… has not. There could be a clash of epic proportions that made the McNabb wristband, cardiovascular battles look like nothing. This would embarrass and crush the fan base even more than the Swinging Gate or Spurrier years.
If the Redskins can’t trade up to nab RGIII or if they don’t find another young QB they believe is worthy of a first-round draft pick, the Skins should pursue Peyton. I don’t have a problem with a Peyton-led team if everyone on the staff understands their roles AND they draft another qb in a later round they think can groom (not a Chase Daniels or Colt Brennan, but a Ryan Tannehill or Nick Foles). Peyton is the master and must be given flexibility and freedom. It’s going to be interesting to see what the Skins do, but one thing is for sure. This quarterback problem needs to be fixed, and Peyton Manning may be the answer.
After the Redskins started the season 3-1, many fans hoped they were coming out of the rebuilding phase faster than anticipated. Then, they went 1-7 (with six straight losses) and it became clear that it would likely be two more years before they could be considered serious contenders. Now at 4-8 they are all but mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. So, I thought now would be an opportune time to look ahead to their future by grading the two drafts General Manager Bruce Allen and Head Coach Mike Shanahan oversaw in the rebuilding process.
Round 1 (4) LT Trent Williams Oklahoma
Williams has shown that he has the talent to become the rock of the offensive line. He has been a bit inconsistent, but when the line around him gets better that shouldn’t be an issue anymore. He has the speed and strength to get to the second level on run blocking. In pass protection he has proven he can stop elite pass-rushers like DeMarcus Ware.
On the downside, Williams has character issues that may affect his NFL career. He has lost his temper on the field before; earlier this season he pushed a 49ers defender after the whistle and was called for unsportsmanlike conduct. This weekend, news came out that he had failed three drug tests and will be suspended for four games.
If Williams can mature and keep his conduct in check he can be a franchise player and a potential Pro Bowler. If continues to make stupid mistakes he may find himself out of the NFL and considered a huge bust.
Round 4 (103) LB Perry Riley LSU
Riley had a disappointing 2010. He didn’t get on the field often and when he did he made bad mistakes. He’s turned it around this season though. He overtaken Rocky McIntosh as London Fletcher’s starting middle linebacker counterpart. This is thanks in part to his good run defense. He recognizes the run quickly and wraps up well. He had 14 tackles in the Seahawks game. He still needs to work on his pass coverage, but overall he’s been a pleasant surprise this year.
Round 7 (219) WR Terrence Austin UCLA
Austin has been on the active roster both this season and last season but has hardly put up any stats. He’s had strong pre-seasons both years but that hasn’t translated too much regular season opportunity. The fact that the Redskins brass drafted three wideouts in this year’s draft is a little worrying for his future in DC.
Round 7 (229) C/OG Erik Cook New Mexico
Cook spent his rookie season on the practice squad, and was forced into a starting role this year because of a spate of injuries. He has played awful; he is consistently being pushed back into the pocket. Worse, he apparently refused to play guard, which forced center Will Montgomery to slide over and play out of position when starting LG Kory Lichtensteiger was placed on injured reserve. In the seventh round you can only really expect to get backups for your o-line. However, Cook is pretty useless in that role as well. His inflexibility makes him a wasted roster spot.
Round 7 (231) OT Selvish Capers West Virginia
Capers was a practice squad member for all of 2010 and was then cut before the 2011 regular season. He wasn’t given an opportunity to play here but he must be pretty terrible if couldn’t crack the active roster of the Redskins offensive line in the past two years.
After three increasingly depressing starts by John Beck, it’s time for the Redskins to admit he’s not a NFL-caliber quarterback. The offense has been woeful the past few games and while that’s not all on him, he’s making a bad offense looks offensively bad. Head coach Mike Shanahan can claim that Beck is improving and “getting there” all he wants but the truth is obvious. The reason John Beck has never had a real chance to start in the NFL is he doesn’t deserve one. He doesn’t go through his receiver progressions, instead he locks onto one target and either throws it to them, tucks and run, or takes a sack. He’s afraid to go downfield, largely because he lacks the arm strength and accuracy to hit his receivers deep. Against the Bills he held the ball too long and was sacked ten times. On Sunday against the 49ers he let go of the ball to quickly, throwing meaningless dump-off pass near the line of scrimmage while he had targets getting open downfield. In Beck’s time under center this year he’s given no indication he’s the Redskins future at QB, or even their future second-stringer.
The Redskins can’t continue to start John Beck; they have to do something else at QB. Not only does he hurt their chance to win, he hurts their chance to rebuild. How do you evaluate receivers if your QB won’t throw to them? How to do you evaluate a running back’s effectiveness if the QB can’t sustain drives? How do you judge an offensive line if the passer is holding the ball too long or getting rid of it to quickly? If Beck continues to play he’ll begin to hamper other players’ development.
What should the Redskins do then? It is too late to trade for a QB and there are no meaningful free agents on the market. So, the Redskins have three bad options – give the job back to former starter Rex Grossman, give practice squad QB Jonathan Crompton a chance, or sign another team’s practice squad QB. Let’s break the down the different scenarios.
1. Give Grossman back the starting job
Reasons Why Not
Rex Grossman was benched for reason and that was his terrible turnovers. For every TD he’s thrown this year, he’s thrown 1.5 picks. Add in his two fumbles and he has 1.8 turnovers for every TD thrown. It’s hard for a team to win when its quarterback is giving the ball away so much. Grossman also appears to have peaked. He’s never going to be any better than what he is, and is clearly not the long term solution at QB.
Despite all of his turnovers, Grossman can move the ball up the field. In Sexy Rexy’s four starts kicker Graham Gano was averaging 2.5 field goal attempts a game. In Beck’s three starts he’s averaging only 1.3. In fact, in Grossman’s starts the team averaged 20.75 points per game. The defense is allowing 19.8 points per game all season. Starting Grossman would give the Redskins a decent shot at squeaking out a few wins.
2. Give Jonathan Crompton a chance
Reasons Why Not
Crompton was not a hot prospect coming out of college. The Redskins are his fourth team in his two years in the NFL so he’s not impressing anyone. He is also at the disadvantage of being signed after the pre-season, so he has no live game experience in this offense.
It’s hard to come up with a reason why Crompton should start, but hopefully the Shanahans envisioned him as the future third-stringer for the team. Surely he wasn’t signed just to be a warm body on the practice squad. Right?
3. Sign a QB from another teams practice squad
Reasons Why Not
There is only one notable QB prospect on any practice squad in the NFL. Former Delaware QB is signed to the Miami Dolphins. When Devlin declared for the 2011 draft he was considered a top QB prospect but he didn’t end up being drafted. He hurt his draft stock with poor performances in the combine and pre-draft workouts. He also showed up late to his own pro days, which many NFL teams saw as a sign of immaturity. The consensus on him is that he’s not ready for the NFL yet. If he can’t even get on the active roster of the atrocious Dolphins he may not be.
There’s no good reason why the Redskins should do this. Though, most of the other coaches in the league seem to be better judges of QB talent than Mike Shanahan right now.
What’s the Answer?
The Redskins should start Grossman, cut Beck, and promote Crompton to backup. Look, it’s not a good solution, but it’s the best available. Grossman will lose some games for the Redskins but at least the offense will have a spark. Beck doesn’t have a future with this franchise or in the NFL. Unless, he transforms into a vastly better QB this weekend, continuing to start him is futile. No one seems to think that Crompton has much of a future, but the Redskins should see if he’s good enough to be the third-stringer next year.
The Redskins need to figure out what they have on offense and what pieces need to be added next year. It’s going to be a long, painful season but there’s no need to make it worse. The Beck experiment failed. It’s time to move on.
After the 23-0 loss to the Bills on Sunday, many Skins fans are calling for head coach Mike Shanahan’s head. That is understandable emotion from a fan base sick of years of losing and embarrassing performances. I’ve certainly overreacted to a loss before and pondered firing Shanahan. But I hope owner Dan Snyder doesn’t get impatient and pull the plug too early, something he’s arguably done before. Norv Turner was fired during a winning season, a year after going to the playoffs. Marty Schottenheimer was never given a chance and was pulled after one year in DC. Joe Gibbs retired from his second stint as Redskins head coach after a year he led the team to the playoffs. What would have happened if any of these coaches had another year or two in DC? What if one had become the guy long term? Would the Redskins still be in this constant state of rebuilding that has lasted over a decade?
So far Mike Shanahan has led the Redskins to a 9-14 record and his offense looks terrible. Still, Snyder and the Redskins fans need to be patient. Firing Shanahan would create more problems than it would solve. Even if the team finishes out the season 3-13, Shanahan should get the 2012 offseason and at least six games next year. Why? To finish out what he started.
Shanahan is currently in year two of a rebuilding process. Fire him and the last two years of losing will have been for nothing. If Snyder brings in a new coach what is the likelihood that the new coach will want to run a 3-4 defense, West Coast offense, and a zone-blocking scheme for the offensive line? Why would Snyder want to bring in a Shanny-clone if he thinks Shanahan failed? Any new coach Snyder brings in will want to blow apart the roster and start again.
A case for Shanahan’s firing can be made easily enough. He misjudged the roster coming in, believing he could win with the team last year. He has put too much faith in his system and his defense. He’s cut players that didn’t fit and brought in some questionable talent that did. Instead of working with players that have obvious football skills but weren’t system matches he let them flounder. Offensive guard Derrick Dockery and defensive end/outside linebacker Andre Carter failed so miserably under Shanahan that they weren’t even tradable.
His QB evaluation has been terrible in his coaching stint so far. First he let go of Jason Campbell last year and brought in Donovan McNabb. Campbell was having a career year and putting up wins in Oakland this year before his season-ending injury. Meanwhile, Donovan McNabb flamed out in D.C. last year, was shipped to Minnesota where he flamed out even more quickly this season. Shanahan went into this season with John Beck and Rex Grossman, two career journeyman as his top two QBs. He believed he could win games with either. It turns out he CAN’T win games with either.
So, why should he get another season after those mistakes? Because some progress has been made and firing him would destroy all that progress. In the first four games the Redskins 3-4 defense was looking stout. The team is still 7th in points allowed at the end of Week 8. They have given up a lot of points and yards since the Week 5 bye, but they have also been dealing with injuries and an offense that hasn’t held the ball for more than 25 minutes the past three games.
That offense has looked horrendous the past few games but it’s had one of the worst rashes of injuries in the NFL. In two of the first four games the Redskins rushed for over 170 yards. Then starting left guard Kory Lichtensteiger went down for the season and starting left tackle Trent Williams injured his ankle. Without those two starters the o-line has looked overmatched. The losses on the offensive line, combined with losing starting RB Tim Hightower for the season, starting TE Chris Cooley for the season, and number one wide-out Santana Moss has turned an average offense to an abysmal one.
But the point is that GM Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan were able to create a good starting core for their West Coast offense and 3-4 defense in the two seasons they’ve been here together. Give them another off-season and they should be able to finish filling in the holes and put some reliable backups in place. Next year an injury to a starter hopefully won’t have such a drastic effect on the team’s chance to win.
Lastly, Shanahan’s hasn’t yet chosen his QB of the future. I admit this is a bit of cop-out here as Rex Grossman, John Beck, and Donovan McNabb have all been floated to the media as “Shanahan’s guy”. Shanahan has had two drafts and not only didn’t spend a high draft pick on a QB he didn’t spend any picks on one. This is almost unconscionable in what is becoming an increasingly quarterback-driven league. The last five Super Bowl winning coaches had their Super Bowl winning QB starting or on the roster during their first year behind the reins. But the fact is Shanahan has bought himself extra time by avoiding this necessary step (perhaps purposefully). There are many QB options in the draft and through trades in the 2012 off-season. Shanahan should be easily able to get a guy that is both high-talent and fits his system. He may even be able to trade for his “now” QB and draft his future QB.
So, let’s stay patient DC. If after six games into the 2012 regular season the Redskins don’t look like they’re on their way to a winning record then Shanahan should get the ax. He’s clearly not going to win here. But I think if you give him another off-season he’ll put in place the next franchise QB, a quality starting offensive line, and roster depth on both sides of the ball. At that point the Redskins should be setup to win for the next few years. But if Snyder gets impatient and fires him this season or during the off-season, he’ll just be restarting the three year rebuilding cycle with a different coach.
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